i guess i have to give him some respect for not hooking up with San Antonio just to get a ring. he was a great player, even last year, and he perhaps is the best PF of all time. but i won't be shedding any tears for his lack of winning a championship. watching him year after year falling down and begging for foul calls (and the refs giving in, especially in Utah) was unpleasant to say the least. particularly all those years the jazz knocked the lakers out of the playoffs.